Marketing

Evil, Ancient Greece, and other Marketing Stuff

by Andrew Swenson
image credit: Raymond Yee

image credit: Raymond Yee

Is marketing evil?

When Seth Godin pondered the question earlier this year, he came to this conclusion:

Just because you can market something doesn’t mean you should. You’ve got the power, so you’re responsible, regardless of what your boss tells you to do.

Last night in a Twitter exchange with Jessica Gottlieb (@JessicaGottlieb) about how people market and sell, I suggested that the question isn’t anything new. In fact, I think it dates back a few millennia…

[Disclaimer: this post is purposefully philosophy light.
Email theword[at]wordpost[dot]org if you’re craving discourse on metaphysics]

The story of persuasion in ancient Greece
[heavily abridged]

In a similar fashion to modern democracies, during the fifth century B.C. forensic discourse (debate) was the tool the Greeks in Athens used for political and court proceedings.

To make a long story short, political power (and the fate of accused parties) rested on the ability of great speakers to persuade. The great orators of the time were called Sophists, and their practice of great oral persuasion was known as rhetoric (cf. Ober).

An ethical challenge to Sophistry and Rhetoric

Following a devastating loss of power in the Peloponnesian War, the Athenians grew critical of their political system, seeing it as a puppet for the benefit of the Sophists and a failure to the common person (Biesecker-Mast).

In the midst of unrest, the great philosopher Plato began his conquest against the practice of rhetoric. In his famous argument against the sophist Gorgias, he claims that

…rhetoric is not good for society because it does not lead to truth, only to persuasion, and only the pleasure for the individual who is persuasive. Rhetoric is not necessarily good for the society that must often suffer wrong ideas have been advanced through persuasion. (Irwin, as cited in Katula, pp. 29-30).

The dialectic argument put forth here is a matter of ethics. Rhetoric is no good for society—making it’s practice unethical.

Is Plato right? Is rhetoric (read: marketing) evil?

No. And here’s why:

Name three “wrong ideas” that “have been advanced through persuasion.”

Go.

Off the top of my head: (1) subprime mortgages are a great idea, (2) women don’t need to be paid as much as men, and (3) crocs are stylish.

Okay, maybe not the last one.

Now name three “right ideas” that “have been advanced through persuasion.”

Go.

Off the top of my head: (1) the US should have a national park system, (2) people should have access to clean drinking water, and (3) smoking can cause cancer.

The point: tools are neutral.

Tools are neutral.

Are guns unethical? Guns kill people.

Are cars unethical? Cars kill people.

Are hammers unethical? …you get the point.

Plato’s student Aristotle went on to argue against his teacher: namely that rhetoric is a

“neutral tool that can be used by persons of virtuous or depraved character” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

Nothing new under the sun

And really, what other than persuasion are we working on in marketing?

When I was working for Spectrum, we always made sure to stress the importance of delivering the right message to the right person at the right time to maximize marketing’s effectiveness. This too comes right out of Aristotle’s rhetorical playbook.

So is marketing evil?

Nope. After our journey through 2500 years, we’ve come back to Godin’s point: “Just because you can market something doesn’t mean you should.”

What do you think? Is marketing evil? Please share.

-Andrew

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  • http://twitter.com/beanie72 Adam Bean

    Marketing can't be evil for one simple reason, it's just a tool.
    Evil is a personality trait, and last time I checked tools like, marketing and money didn't have personalities!!

    Sure both marketing and money can be used for evil as well as they can be used for good.

    But the evil or the good comes from the person actually using the tool.
    Not the tool itself.

    Cheers Adam

    • http://wordpost.org Andrew Swenson

      Adam, I think we're pretty well on the same page.

      Thanks for stopping by.

      -Andrew

  • http://twitter.com/MouyyadA Mouyyad Abdulhadi

    Marketing is not evil, it's a means for the provider to highlight the positive attributes of the product/service and the benefits to the consumer.

    I think the moral line can be crossed in the “sales” environment, when the provider tries to persuade the consumer to spend money they don't have, on a product/service they don't need.

    • http://wordpost.org Andrew Swenson

      Mouyyad,

      First, thanks for the comment.

      I think that in both marketing and sales there is a fine line between persuasion and manipulation. The difference, in both cases, is what is ethically okay and what's not.

      What I'm trying to say is that I think evil isn't confined to sales. I guess I've seen the work of enough spineless marketers trying to squeeze every last penny from their customers to feel that way.

      Thoughts?

  • http://wordpost.org Andrew Swenson

    Mouyyad,

    First, thanks for the comment.

    I think that in both marketing and sales there is a fine line between persuasion and manipulation. The difference, in both cases, is what is ethically okay and what's not.

    What I'm trying to say is that I think evil isn't confined to sales. I guess I've seen the work of enough spineless marketers trying to squeeze every last penny from their customers to feel that way.

    Thoughts?

  • http://wordpost.org Andrew Swenson

    Mouyyad,

    First, thanks for the comment.

    I think that in both marketing and sales there is a fine line between persuasion and manipulation. The difference, in both cases, is what is ethically okay and what's not.

    What I'm trying to say is that I think evil isn't confined to sales. I guess I've seen the work of enough spineless marketers trying to squeeze every last penny from their customers to feel that way.

    Thoughts?

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